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ປະທານາທິບໍດີ ສະຫະລັດ ທ່ານບາຣັກ ໂອບາມາ ກ່າວວ່າ ທ່ານໄດ້ບອກຕໍ່ປະທານາ
ທິບໍດີ ຂອງຣັດເຊຍ ທ່ານປູຕິນ ຢ່າງຈະແຈ້ງ ໃຫ້ຍຸຕິການໂຈມຕີທາງອິນເຕແນັດ ແລະ ໄດ້ເຕືອນເຖິງຜົນສະທ້ອນຕ່າງໆ ຕໍ່ການລັກເຈາະ ອີແມລຂອງພັກເດໂມແຄຣັດ ໃນ ລະຫວ່າງການໂຄສະນາຫາສຽງ ເປັນປະທານາທິບໍດີ ຂອງອາເມຣິກາ.

ປະທານາທິບໍດີ ບາຣັກ ໂອບາມາ ບໍ່ໄດ້ໃຫ້ລາຍລະອຽດ ເມື່ອໄດ້ຖືກຖາມວ່າ ຜູ້ໃດໃນ ຣັດເຊຍ ສັ່ງໃຫ້ເຈາະຂໍ້ມູນອີແມລ ຂອງຄະນະກຳມະການພັກເດໂມແຄຣັດ ແຫ່ງຊາດ ໃນລະຫວ່າງ ການແຂ່ງຂັນ ເປັນປະທານາທິບໍດີ ທີ່ໂຕ້ແຍ້ງກັນ ລະຫວ່າງ ທ່ານດໍໂນລ ທຣຳ ແລະ ທ່ານນາງ ຮີລາຣີ ຄລິນຕັນ ນັ້ນ.

ທ່ານໂອບາມາເວົ້າວ່າ “ບໍ່ມີຫຍັງເກີດຂຶ້ນຫຼາຍ ໃນຣັດເຊຍ ຄັນບໍ່ມີ Vladimir Putin.”

ໃນລະຫວ່າງ ກອງປະຊຸມຖະແຫລງຂ່າວ ໃນວັນສຸກວານນີ້ ທ່ານໂອບາມາ ໄດ້ເລົ່າຄືນ ເຖິງການປະເຊີນໜ້າກັບທ່ານປູຕິນ ກ່ຽວກັບບັນຂອງການລັກເຈາະຂໍ້ມູນທາງອິນເຕີແນັດ ໃນລະຫວ່າງການພົບປະກັນຊ້ອງໜ້າ ຢູ່ໃນປະເທດຈີນ ເມື່ອເດືອນກັນຍາຜ່ານມາ.

ປະທານາທິບໍດີໂອບາມາ ກ່າວວ່າ “ຂ້າພະເຈົ້າຮູ້ສຶກວ່າ ທາງທີ່ມີປະສິດທິພາບທີ່ສຸດ ທີ່ ຈະຮັບປະກັນວ່າ ອັນນັ້ນຈະບໍ່ເກີດຂຶ້ນ ກໍແມ່ນຈະໂອ້ລົມກັບທ່ານໂດຍກົງ ແລະ ບອກ ທ່ານໃຫ້ເຊົາຊະ ມັນຈະເຮັດໃຫ້ເກີດຜົນກະທົບທີ່ຮ້າຍແຮງຕ່າງໆ ຖ້າທ່ານບໍ່ເຊົາ.”

ເມື່ອວັນສຸກວານນີ້ ປະທານາທິບໍດີທີ່ກຳລັງຈະໝົດໜ້າທີ່ ບໍ່ໄດ້ລະບຸລາຍລະອຽດວ່າ ຜົນ ສະທ້ອນດັ່ງກ່າວນັ້ນ ແມ່ນຫຍັງ ສຳລັບຣັດເຊຍ ຊຶ່ງທ່ານເຄີຍເອີ້ນວ່າ ເປັນປະເທດທີ່ “ນ້ອຍກວ່າ ອ່ອນແອກວ່າ.”

ປະທານາທິບໍດີ ໂອບາມາ ເວົ້າວ່າ “ເປົ້າໝາຍຂອງພວກເຮົາ ແມ່ນສືບຕໍ່ສົ່ງສານອັນຈະ ແຈ້ງໃຫ້ແກ່ຣັດເຊຍ ຫຼື ບຸກຄົນອື່ນໆ ບໍ່ໃຫ້ເຮັດເຊັ່ນນີ້ຕໍ່ພວກເຮົາ. ເພາະວ່າ ພວກເຮົາ ສາມາດເຮັດສິ່ງໃດສິ່ງໜຶ່ງຕໍ່ເຈົ້າ. ແຕ່ມັນເປັນສິ່ງທີ່ສຳຄັນສຳລັບພວກເຮົາ ທີ່ຈະເຮັດເຊັ່ນ ນັ້ນ ໃນແບບທີ່ໄຕ່ຕອງຢ່າງຮອບຄອບ. ບາງສ່ວນເຮົາຈະເຮັດຢ່າງເປີດເຜີຍ.ບາງສ່ວນ
ເຮົາຈະເຮັດໃນທາງທີ່ພວກເຮົາຮູ້ ແຕ່ໝົດທຸກຄົນ ຈະບໍ່ຮູ້.”

ທ່ານ Matthew Rojansky ຈາກສູນກາງ Wilson ກ່າວວ່າ “ພວກເຂົາເຈົ້າມີລາຍການ
ທາງເລືອກ ຢ່າງກວ້າງຂວາງ ທີ່ມີທຸກສິ່ງທຸກຢ່າງທີ່ຈຳເປັນ ຈາກການເກັບພາບບາດກ້າວ
ຕ່າງໆ ທີ່ເປັນຄືກັບພາບສະທ້ອນຈາກກະຈົກ ແທ້ຈິງແລ້ວເປັນຊະນິດໜຶ່ງຂອງການລັກ
ເຈາະຂໍ້ມູນ ເປັນຊະນິດຂອງການຮົ່ວໄຫລ ຂອງຂໍ້ມູນນັ້ນ. ຂ້າພະເຈົ້າໝາຍເຖິງ ໝົດທຸກ
ຢ່າງນີ້ ສາມາດເຮັດໄດ້ ຕໍ່ລະບົບການເມືອງໃດໆ ເມື່ອໃດກໍໄດ້.”

U.S. President Barack Obama says he spoke with Russian President Vladimir Putin in September about the alleged hacking of the Democratic Party, and that the hacking did not continue after that conversation.

Obama made the comment after giving his annual year-end news conference from the White House Friday.

“What we’ve simply said is the facts, which are that based on uniform intelligence assessments, the Russians were responsible for hacking the DNC and that, as a consequence, it is important for us to review all elements of that and make sure that we are preventing that kind of interference through cyberattacks in the future,” he said.

Obama said his administration took pains not to draw any conclusions about the effects of the hacking, because of the politically charged atmosphere in the lead-up to the election.

“Part of the goal here was to make sure that we did not do the work of the leakers for them by raising more and more questions about the integrity of the election right before the election was taking place,” Obama said.

When asked if he believed the hacking was responsible for the election loss of Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton, he did not answer directly. Obama said, “I’m going to let all the pundits in this town have a lot of discussions about that.”

Confrontation with Putin

Obama said he spoke with Putin in September at an event in China, telling him to stop the interference.

Watch: Obama on Talking to Putin on Hacking US Election

“I felt that the most effective way to ensure that it did not happen [again] was to talk to him directly and tell him to cut it out, there were going to be some serious consequences if he did not,” Obama said of Putin. He said after he spoke with the Russian leader, U.S. officials stopped seeing evidence of tampering.

Obama also blamed the media for focusing on the content of the hacked emails from the Democratic Party, rather than looking at the implications of such a development.

“I am finding it a little curious that everybody is suddenly acting surprised that this looked like it was disadvantaging Hillary Clinton, because you guys [the media] wrote about it every day, every single leak about every little juicy tidbit of political gossip, including John Podesta’s risotto recipe,” Obama said to the reporters at his news conference.

But he defended his administration’s handling of the events, saying “we handled it the way we should have.”

Obama also noted that he has addressed similar concerns with China by having a similar conversation with China’s President Xi Jinping.

Options for retaliation

Obama did not discuss much of what he thought the U.S. could do to retaliate against Russia or other potential state-driven hacks. But other parties questioned by VOA had more to say.

“There has to be a response,” said retired General David Petraeus, former director of the Central Intelligence Agency and former commander of the International Security Assistance Force and U.S. forces in Afghanistan. Petraeus told VOA Friday that the United States has several options.

“How subtle do you want it? How damaging do you want it? How do you ... end it here rather than start to ratchet up and take it farther and farther?” he asked. “We’ve been through this with other countries in other cases where you try to find, is there something we could do to them that they would see, that they would realize 98 percent that we did it, but it would be so obvious that they then have to respond.”

Watch: Obama on How US Will Respond to Russian Hacking

“The Russians have been at the cyber business as long as cyber has existed,” said retired Admiral James Winnefeld, former vice chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. “They saw this immediately for what it was — an opportunity, particularly in the Russian way of doing business, of getting things done in a non-attributable way.”

Winnefeld added, “Whether it was merely designed to undermine our own confidence in our political process, which is bad enough, or whether it was actually intended to influence the election, which is even worse, it’s still an extension of politics into a different realm and we have to take it seriously.”

Joseph Nye of Harvard University’s Kennedy School of Government told VOA that in terms of response, the United States must be firm.

“We have to make it clear that we’re not going to tolerate that, not just from the Russians, but from anybody. ... Unless we come down hard on this now, you’re going to see a lot more of this — and not just by Russians,” Nye said.

Uncharted territory

Matthew Rojansky, director of the Woodrow Wilson Center’s Kennan Institute, said the U.S. has a wide range of options, including doing the same kind of hacking to Russia. But this kind of electronic interference is, internationally, a new phenomenon.

“Unlike, for example, the nuclear realm or the conventional military realm where there is a clear ladder of escalation and a clear rule of deterrence ... we don’t actually know what the rules of deterrence are,” Rojansky said.

Complicating matters is the wild-card factor of the incoming Trump administration.

“If the new administration strongly disagrees or they feel that this issue has been turned into a political issue by the outgoing administration, then I think the United States overall is in a much weaker position,” he said.

But the fact that the Obama administration has addressed the issue directly may force the hand of President-elect Donald Trump.

“The fact that the FBI is now on board I think speaks volumes,” said Mietek Boduszynski, a former U.S. Foreign Service officer who is now an assistant professor of politics and international relations at Pomona College in Claremont, California.

“At the very least, I think in a political sense, the president [Obama] wants to set up a situation and maybe an investigation that will put President-elect Trump in a position where he won’t be able to ignore this and will have to deal with it. I think that’s probably the goal, at the very least,” Boduszynski said.

One thing is clear: Obama blames the cutthroat competition between political parties in the United States for providing other nations an opportunity to disrupt the political process. He quoted a political poll — though not by name, calling it only a “pretty credible source” — saying 37 percent of Republican voters approve of Putin.

“Ronald Reagan would roll over in his grave,” Obama said, of Americans in large numbers giving a thumbs-up to the former head of Russia’s KGB.

“And how did that happen? It happened in part because for too long, everything that happens in this town, everything that’s said is seen through the lens of ‘does this help or hurt us relative to Democrats or relative to President Obama,’ “ he said. “And unless that changes, we’re going to continue to be vulnerable to foreign influence, because we’ve lost track of what it is that we’re about and what we stand for.”

Watch: Obama on US Involvement in Syria

Obama also took questions on the war in Syrian, conceding it has been “one of the hardest issues I’ve faced.” The world, he said, “is united in horror at the savage assault by the Syrian regime and its Russian and Iranian allies on the city of Aleppo.”

“This blood and these atrocities are on their hands,” Obama said, making clear he was referring to leaders in Moscow, Damascus and Tehran. He was speaking just hours after the Syrian government suspended the evacuation of civilians and fighters from the last rebel-held portions of Aleppo city, leaving the fate of tens of thousands of people highly uncertain.

Russian hacking allegations and Syria dominated questions during the nearly 90-minute news conference.

President Barack Obama leaves a news conference in the Brady press briefing room at the White House in Washington, Dec. 16, 2016.
President Barack Obama leaves a news conference in the Brady press briefing room at the White House in Washington, Dec. 16, 2016.

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